Episode Summary
Is your body helping you pray, or working against it without you realizing?
In this episode, the friars continue their series on holy silence, turning to the silence of the body. To be clear from the start, this doesn’t mean rejecting the body or chasing perfect health. It means receiving the body as God’s gift and caring for it with moderation, so that we can pray, work, and love others faithfully. Bodily practices can help us become recollected, but they do not guarantee contemplation, spiritual consolation, or holiness.
The friars frame this as a question of stewardship: are the daily decisions we make about sleep, movement, food, and rest actually helping us show up, to prayer, to the people we love, and to our work, with the capacity we need? One friar names sleep as one of the biggest factors shaping how everything else goes, prayer, charity, and daily consistency included, while acknowledging this looks different for everyone depending on work, health, and circumstances. Another names a personal tendency toward moving quickly, an interior speed that becomes an exterior speed, and shares how a retreat experience built around deliberately slowing down, even something as simple as chewing food more slowly, helped prepare him for a deeper interiority in prayer.
The conversation is careful not to villainize movement or turn this into an anxious, rigid discipline. Life will always involve a fair amount of motion. The copy also cautions against treating health itself as the ultimate goal, or the reduction of the person to bodily performance or an excessive preoccupation with health and appearance. The invitation instead is toward noticing: am I making decisions in my health, sleep, and movement that give me the energy and stillness I need to actually enter prayer, and to love the people in front of me well? Even ordinary practices like stretching before and after exercise, or taking a breath before rushing into a Holy Hour, become small aids to recollection, small acts of stewardship rather than afterthoughts, though never a substitute for the Holy Spirit’s own work in prayer.
The episode closes with a practical question for listeners to sit with: what concrete decisions, in sleep, movement, food, and rest, would actually help me be more present, to God and to the people I care for?Episode Transcript
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[00:58 –> 01:25] Welcome back everybody. I forgot to do something, but that’s okay. We. It’s funny. I think it’s probably. We were you there for. For the limited people. Limited men? Yeah, you limited men. You were there for the limited men conversation for the party, or like, man, we’re all trying, but we’re trying. We’re kind of stretched, you know, we got a few few words of encouragement from people, and they didn’t cite that episode.
[01:26 –> 01:43] I’m sure it was somewhat inspired by that. Like, like like, thank you guys. You’re doing great. I the question for today, can I ask a question for today?
[01:44 –> 02:04] Commentary say rude. My question today. My observation I so I think, so we’re all millennials, right? What happened if you just you, your thing isn’t is, acting up? Okay. There you go.
[02:04 –> 02:24] Did you make a joke that we want to make sure we don’t miss? Okay. Is this so? I think so we’re all millennials, and I think it were the older side of millennials. I like what I like. What’s going on with us. Just to be honest, I think there’s a lot of it. There’s you know, I’m sure every every generation will have its gift and gaps.
[02:24 –> 02:59] But I’ve seen recently I’ve been with like some had a number of reunions or where like a family came out to visit us in New York, where I connected with some families out in California. And what it made me think is, and some of these, these family situations were just like, overwhelmingly healthy. And like, if the parents are overwhelmingly healthy and dynamic and balanced and, like, wise, but also faithful, but then they’re like from this place, they like built these families that have, like these really special characteristics.
[02:59 –> 03:05] And I’m like, I’m wondering if like the next whatever the like the.
[03:05 –> 03:29] I wonder if the kids of millennials, whatever generation that is. I’m, I’m starting to feel like that could be like, I think we might get some sense out of that generation. I’m thinking like I’m seeing some like it’s at least like in the vacation space. I’m like seeing some of these and I’m like, dang, dude, these guys got a good foundation and really good formation and the Lord’s going to be able to do a lot with them.
[03:29 –> 04:00] Certainly. Like there’s still a lot of the battles out there, but these are like this is why I think maybe it’s like the same thing because, like, there’s a lot of chaos out there, but there’s a whole lot of like really beautiful things. I’m optimistic.
[04:00 –> 04:22] I think well, yeah, yeah I don’t and I get, I don’t want to make it into a, I mean, what I’m trying to balance is like not, making it a generational competition, but I think, there was just kind of like certain choices that there was like, there was like a maybe we’ll call it there’s like a, like a phase of, like, experimentation.
[04:22 –> 04:44] And then maybe we were able to have like the fruit of it, of having like some trial and error in different areas like by previous generations. And so we, we receive the fruit of the trial and error and we can sort of choose clearly. Okay. Actually, that lifestyle, that path, those values, have been clearly demonstrated to not be something that I want to pursue.
[04:44 –> 05:04] Like we’ve already been able to test them and see the fruit of them. So here, like if you will like the best path forward. I feel like had been illuminated because of some of the trial and error. And so I think that and, and so the hard part is like following it and there’s certain other things, you know, that we’re certainly, where we have our room for growth.
[05:04 –> 05:31] But but I might, I might with, I might say I think that’s probably a good way to sort of see it is there’s a lot of trial and error. And I think we had the gift of sort of, not working with hypotheses, but sort of like theories and conclusions from the time of experimentation.
[05:31 –> 06:05] I think so.
[06:05 –> 06:15] And certainly every generation is going to have its saints. But I think there’s like something sometimes there’s like golden ages.
[06:15 –> 07:15] Well I, well I think like, you know, but like we’re, we’ve received something, we’ve received something and then I, I don’t know, I think we’re, we’re overall trending in the right direction. And so, you know, whatever the generation after us might have, even I don’t know, there’s we were so protected from a lot of stuff.
[07:15 –> 07:41] Yeah. And maybe I should have maybe, like, made it a generational thing, but I would just that maybe it’s just like I’ve been deeply moved, edified, encouraged by the families of some of our peers and being like, whoa, this is one of the most incredibly healthy things I’ve ever seen. And, like, as far as good soil for the gospel is what it looks like, but certainly I’ve seen it in others as well.
[07:41 –> 08:37] I think it maybe it’s like because it’s like my friends or whatever, maybe like hits a little bit more poignantly. There we go.
[08:37 –> 14:53] Amen. Cool. Well, thanks for let me mention that, can we dive into the next episode today?
[14:53 –> 17:06] Yeah. Because it’s all. Well, you’re the body expert.
[17:06 –> 17:44] Thank you. And I certainly I think there’s a lot to say like, and I do think actually in many, like when I have, it’s for holiness. I had a chapter that was under, the kingly like the menorah of our, of our baptism, which is like in some ways to, like, govern and to be a good steward of, a variety of things, but including, if you will, like our health in the body.
[17:44 –> 18:10] And certainly I, I had the to kind of community dynamics of I do think that this is one of the kind of major areas of growth, but also a place of like really clear conviction. You know, and I think this falls in the context of, for example, like one of the number one factors that’s going to affect, like how everything’s going overall is like my sleep and, and sort of getting into a place of consistency and discipline.
[18:11 –> 18:34] And so that allows me to have like a consistent sleep schedule is, is one of the most sort of like foundational things, which affects my sort of charity in my prayer and etc.. And so like coming into the new year, that’s one of the like primary point of focus, but also like what, you know, I may not be the only one on this episode who tends to move very quickly.
[18:34 –> 18:59] Like there’s a, there’s a certain like, one of the guys at the shelter used to call me Fast Break. There’s a certain, like, interior speed, which becomes like an exterior speed, which may not be the most conducive to contemplation or charity. Yeah. Yeah. But so you’ve been able to sort of have both of the dynamics in a, in a uniquely good way.
[19:00 –> 19:42] Okay. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, I remember when I went on, retreat up with the I don’t know if they’re called like, Sisters of Bethlehem. Like one of their, their notes for entering into retreat is basically like, chew your food like 30 times or something like that before you swallow it. And, and it was like it was insightful as like, hey, like slow down and intentionally slow down and kind of slow down across the board because the slowing down, if you will, this like entering into like a purity of movement or a discipline of movement or a sort of movement like is going to like be conducive towards and help facilitate like
[19:42 –> 20:02] a deeper interiority in prayer. And I thought that was like super insightful and worthy of, worthy of application outside of like the retreat.
[20:02 –> 26:46] Sure.
[26:46 –> 27:08] And I guess I’m going to say this so that I can, get out in front of potentially. Maybe I’m being wrong here. I’m. I’m kind of, interpreting, receiving this, kind of the silence of the body, a, like, kind of talking about the space of, like, health, you know, and the role that, like, our health and our bodies play in, in our prayer life, in our life in general.
[27:08 –> 27:45] And I think, you know, like the you fanaticism of movement, I think we could put it in sort of a category of like, sort of an unhealthy movement. There’s there’s something about that which is, not necessarily flowing from and leading to anxiety, but something about that, that just, you know, if we’re looking for a stillness of waters is shaking of the whatever the waters and all the time isn’t super like it’s going to like it’s not going to be helpful, but, but I think, like, what I’m, what I’m trying to get to here and, like, my brain is like, I’m thinking of, like, listener, like 45 year old for
[27:45 –> 28:10] kids. And, you know, like when we’re talking about this, like, what is what is he what are the questions that he asks himself? What are maybe some of the the like action items that that he can take away. And certainly I think that the like so so sort of the goals is good. Like am I, am I making concrete decisions in my lifestyle, in my health, in my movement, in my stewardship of the body?
[28:10 –> 28:42] That, that sort of, are helpful for a couple of things, like including prayer, like, am I moving in such a way, sleeping in such a way, having, eating in such a way, whatever it is that like when I’m entering to prayer, there’s a certain capacity to enter into it, or I have the energy for it, etc. but also like, you know, am I particular, I’m thinking right now in the area it can be sleep, but like exercise, like in health, like in diet, like, am I making decisions as well which are giving me what I need to sort of love people.
[28:42 –> 28:58] Well for charity. Right. And I know a couple of dads out there who are like super, super consistent about getting to the gym and lifting because they like, they need that stress relief. And if they’re going to like, love their wives and their children, well, like, this is like a really they’ve come to understand this is something really important for me.
[28:58 –> 29:16] And because I have this stuff that’s like built up and I need to physically get it out. And if I do that, I can really love, like my family, my kids much better. And I think that’s like a great example. Or again, like the running thing. Like, am I just sort of even in the diet thing, do I have the energy to have what I need?
[29:16 –> 32:35] Am I making the right decisions so that, I’m presenting my best self to the Lord at times of prayer? To to those who I care for, to my work, etc.? But I’m also, you know, if I understand if there’s anything different from what I just said that you like really are hoping to emphasize in this episode, we we certainly want to open the door for that.
[32:35 –> 33:02] Yeah. And I don’t think there’s anything, Like overly dramatic about that. And I think it kind of is consistently with consistent with what kind of I had sort of envisioned is I do think, We’re still gonna have quite a bit of movement out there, right? Like, certainly. Because it’s like we got we got jobs and we got whatever it is.
[33:02 –> 33:29] But that there is and I think there’s like, again, I don’t think anything of that was like, crazy. But it’s just good to remember, like even something like breathing, you know, I think like, sometimes, like, I think of this is I most people I know, or maybe it’s just myself, but a lot of people who are active really struggle with, like, the, stretching before and after of the workout.
[33:29 –> 33:50] Right. Because there’s something like, okay, I want I want to do the thing, I want to get it into thing, I want to I want to get after it. And some of the other, like the stretching before and after, it feels like burdensome and it feels perhaps like lacking entertainment and fun and maybe even like we can kind of be, can be like convicted of the purpose, but not enough to actually want to do it.
[33:50 –> 34:13] But if you look at any any star athlete, any professional athlete, you’ll get a professional. You go, you get to a baseball game early, you’re going to see all the stars out there like stretching a lot. And you’ll see these like big, powerful, heavy first baseman doing the splits, you know, because they understand like this stretching. If you take the time to do it and whatever, it’s going to help and serve like the overall performance.
[34:14 –> 34:39] And so I certainly do mean this for, I think stretching super helpful, all that sort of stuff. But even just like, like in the time of prayer like this or even before the time of prayer, or outside of the time we’re taking some of these moments to be still and I think, incarnation, humanly speaking, to take like, deep breaths to take your time, because sometimes.
[34:39 –> 34:58] Right, like, I think we get into Holy Hour, we get into prayer and it’s like we’re trying to like sprint, and it’s like, we don’t like, let’s just let things settle. So I don’t know that that was a total sort of, continuation of what you said, but that’s just kind of what came to mind is, I think, like breathing, being still, taking time.
[34:58 –> 40:07] I think this is a reason why maybe, like, eating lunch while doing your work, like, at the at the desk, like, isn’t super healthy. Like, it’s, like, ideal to, like, really slow down. And I think health and nutrition in our systems and things like that like affirm that I know. So that’s what I that was my thoughts.
[40:07 –> 43:07] So for the innocent to end it here, could you just kind of give like maybe, some questions for somebody to ask themselves like here’s, you know, here’s the subject, here’s the topic, here’s what’s important. Here’s like a couple of like, like practicals, like here’s here’s what we’re looking at, just to kind of help them apply it to their lives.
[43:07 –> 43:12] Right. Beautiful. Thank you. Anything to add further beauty?
[43:12 –> 43:49] Great. Well, brother Bodhi, could you, close that with prayer? Let’s you. That’s you. Expert.
[43:49 –> 44:13] Amen. Yeah, yeah. Well, any any. You guys got anything to say?
[44:13 –> 44:23] Great. I got nothing. What are. You know. All right. See you guys.
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Key Takeaways
- Silence of the body means stewardship, not rejection of the body. This isn’t about suppressing or being hostile toward the body. It’s about receiving the body as God’s gift and caring for it with moderation, so we can pray, work, and love others faithfully.
- Sleep matters, but ideal rest isn’t equally available to everyone. One friar names consistent sleep as foundational to charity, prayer, and discipline, though illness, work, caregiving, and other life circumstances mean this looks different for each person, not a fixed standard to feel guilty about.
- Interior speed becomes exterior speed. A tendency to move or think quickly internally often shows up physically, and can work against contemplation if left unexamined.
- Slowing down physically can help prepare us for prayer. A retreat practice as simple as chewing food more deliberately is offered as an example of how physical pacing can dispose us toward a deeper interior life, though such practices assist recollection rather than produce it on their own.
- “Fanaticism of movement” and an unhealthy focus on health are both named as extremes to avoid. Catholic wisdom calls for moderation, avoiding both restless excess and disproportionate preoccupation with health.
- The real question is capacity for love, not performance. Rather than asking whether we’re presenting our best self, the better question is whether we’re caring for the body responsibly enough to offer ourselves to God and serve others faithfully.
- Small physical practices can aid recollection, but they don’t replace grace. Stretching, breathing, and taking a moment to settle before prayer are ordinary, good practices, but they assist prayer rather than causing or guaranteeing spiritual consolation.
What This Means for Prayer and Daily Life
Before your next time of prayer, notice your body first. Are you rushing in still catching your breath from whatever came before? Taking a moment to physically settle, a few slow breaths, before you begin can help dispose you toward stillness, even though it’s the Holy Spirit, not the breathing itself, who leads you into deeper prayer.
Look honestly and gently at your sleep. If sleep genuinely affects your ability to pray, be patient, and love well, treat a reasonably consistent sleep schedule as a form of care for yourself and others. At the same time, if illness, caregiving, work, or circumstances beyond your control mean your sleep isn’t ideal right now, that isn’t a moral failing. Do what’s reasonably within your power and leave the rest to God’s mercy.
Notice your own pace. If you tend to move quickly, whether that’s how you walk, eat, or think, ask whether that interior speed is helping or working against your ability to be present, in prayer and with the people in front of you.
Treat ordinary physical care, eating without rushing, stretching, moving your body, as a reasonable and good part of caring for yourself, not as a project of self-optimization or a measure of spiritual progress. Ask simply: am I caring for my body responsibly enough that I can offer myself to God and serve the people I love?
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